Know-stroke.org-Exercise Guidelines for PFO Patients Needed
The PFO Research Foundation recently met in Washington, DC for its first PFO Summit. I attended the event and was hoping for both practical and selfish reasons to get some clarity on exercise guidelines from some of the world’s top authorities on PFO. Instead, what I learned in one of the breakout sessions aimed at developing better guideline documents and educational materials for patients with PFO disorders is that we have a great deal more work to do to get better patient information out there. I reference a recent post to my blog from Sept. 28, 2010, at know-stroke.org to illustrate this point:
“I just found out I have a PFO after a cerebellar stroke and ministroke in 27 months. I am 45. Should I be scared to do cardio, how much, how long, what should I avoid? Thanks Dave, I appreciate reading something from someone who seems a lot like me.”
What should this person do? Known PFO, positive TIA/stroke and would like to continue exercising/working out. Is cardio fine? Are weights OK? What about swimming? Climbing at altitude? Diving? We know these situations may present increased risk but where do you draw the line?
Patients are turning to the web and patient forums for guidance clearly because they are not getting answers from their physicians or device manufacturers. It’s simply not enough to tell patients “you can’t avoid the valsalva maneuver*” in daily life. No kidding doc, really? Is that the best advice we can give?
I learned “off the record” after running a marathon that perhaps (running long distances) was not the best decision for me “down the road” with a PFO occluder on board. This inside information was shared with me by a physician recently after my primary cardiac physician had cleared me and stated after more than one year post PFO closure “if my legs could carry me that far and my brain was crazy enough to talk my body into 26.2 miles then my heart would be fine”. OK, so, what is safe? What should PFO patients be doing for exercise (or not doing) 1-3 weeks after closure? How about after 6 weeks? What is really so special about 6 weeks? Why not 1 year (or more)? Should every occluder device have its own post-op protocol based upon the design? Perhaps. What about exercise guidelines for known PFO/stroke confirmed without closure like the recent post on my blog I illustrated above. What about known PFO, no stroke, no closure but enrolled in clinical trial related to migraines? What about guidelines for that same patient sent home on meds or following sham closure procedure. Follow me?
[Personal Sidebar] I had contacted the device manufacturer that built my heart plug several years ago after I had PFO closure. I asked them, -NO-I challenged them to get their patient education website completed and build a useful patient resource to assist patients that were in my shoes. That was well over 3 years ago. The result: Still no website for patient education. Nothing. I’m still waiting…
Who’s to Blame??
Blame the FDA, insurance companies, poor clinical trial enrollment, whatever excuse we want to make, this is certainly not “best medical practice”, it is not acceptable and is in fact poor medical practice. As a practicing physical therapist, if I sent someone home after a total hip replacement and didn’t remind them that there were clear post operative hip precautions that they should be aware of following their procedure (and based upon the technique and specific device they had implanted in their body), I could be fired and sued if they went home and blew out their hip because I didn’t educate them. That is simply part of my job! Why are heart plugs different? The last time I checked they were still being inserted directly in the center of our most vital organ.
“Patients can’t continue to afford to be the pigs here. Patients are literally putting their “hearts on the line” and deserve so much better. When I ran the Boston Marathon in 2009 I didn’t recall any pigs passing me with a clinical trial advertisement on their bib.”-DP Dansereau
I certainly hope this post serves as a challenge to industry and physicians to be more responsible and get our collective acts together to set things straight for patients. At least that is why I continue to write this blog, and yes, industry, this blog creation was and remains my direct response to your failure to step up and do something. Truth is, I write most of my content on lunch breaks and late on Friday evenings after my responsibilities as a dad and business owner are complete. (This is at least my excuse why I frequently have typos in my posts.) I write this blog because in some way it helps patients ask more educated questions and hopefully make their medical care takers stay on their toes, at least that’s what I’ve been told. I have no financial disclosures to report, don’t know any venture capitalists, and have no potential gain if PFO closure proves to be a slam dunk for stroke prevention or migraine relief. I just own the peace of mind that I did something. Now, I must get back to my patients, and then perhaps go out for a run later this evening when I get done here at work.
Or should I ? Who knows? I’d love for you to comment here if you do….
Better Exercise Guidelines for PFO Patients
By David P Dansereau
For know-stroke.org
* Valsalva maneuver: A maneuver in which a person tries to exhale forcibly with a closed windpipe so that no air exits through the mouth or nose as, for example, in strenuous coughing, straining during a bowel movement, or lifting a heavy weight. The Valsalva maneuver impedes the return of venous blood to the heart.
Michele, 
Pam are discussing. 
Pam 1:06 am on November 11, 2010 Permalink |
My question exactly …. At my one-month post-op appt. today my cardiologist said I should wait another two weeks before I start back to my cardio regime (running, cardio classes, swimming, etc.). Initially, he said four weeks. The question is when does a person reach the point where there are no recommended restrictions for exercise?
David 7:57 pm on November 11, 2010 Permalink |
That is the million dollar PFO/exercise question Pam. I wish I had the answer for you but as you can see even your doc seemed a bit vague with your post-op exercise instructions. I did not go back to unrestricted exercise for almost a year following closure. I was working on restoring balance and stability and these are not exactly “high risk” activities. Because my post exercise instructions were also not that clear I went by what I learned in PT school about the rate of tissues healing. While soft tissue surrounding a joint may not be the same as cardiac tissue I did play it safe knowing that soft tissue injuries “or healing” need 12-18 weeks to fully “remodel”. In PT there is then a re-strengthening phase that goes in stages that often takes up to a full year to return a joint to full strength prior to when it was damaged. While this may be the extreme example, I decided I was not going to take a chance and blow my recovery with my most vital organ at risk. Those recovery guidelines I just outlined were my own and pls. take them for what they are worth but having that knowledge at least helped guide my own healing, both in my heart and my mind. I know you’ll also find out on the web other extreme examples where physicians are telling their patients it is safe to go running day 2-post-op. That’s why the medical community involved with PFO closure needs to do better educating and why we hope to get better guidelines established through our patient led group at PFOresearch.org
Thank you for your question.
David Dansereau
know-stroke.org
Michele 3:41 pm on January 19, 2011 Permalink |
David,
I too am in the medical profession, as a retired, R.N. No doubt, it has helped me immensely to be able to ask questions, logical ones, of what to expect post closure. I too, have been met with the same, ‘you’ll be able to go back to work in a few days with a few limitations, like lifting and the like…’ or, ‘you’ll need to take it easy for awhile…’ all the way to, ‘you reallly should not lift anything above 3 pounds for 4-6 weeks…’
Then of course I was told, by my cardiologisit, of a 10 year old who had the PFO closure done, who, apparently felt well enough to shoot some baskets on day 3, and his device ‘popped out’ and embolized, and he died immediately… And, of course, he told me about the woman, who had her every 6 month echo for 1.5 years, then between the 1.5 and 2 year check up she had a stroke, and the echo revealed a huge scarring tissue in her atrium around/over and behind the implant. She had to have open heart to save her and get teh implant out!
On teh PFO research foundation FB page, I read of patients with weekly migraines, marked chest pain for 1+ year post closure, and I am left with a sinking feeling…am I a desperate guinea pig?
‘If’ the >13 lesions on my brain are in fact stroke sites, why did the 1st neuologist phoo phoo the then 4 lesions as, ‘normal to have one for every decade of life’ (I was 42), one year later, and now 13+ lesions, I was told by my 3rd neurologist, ‘it could be MS, but, because you have a PFO, we have to make sure it is not strokes, from the PFO.’ Then neurologist #4 & #5, concurred, I am having strokes, likey passing emboli through my PFO…’
I am presently scheduled for Feb. 11 for investigational cath as I am scared of the implant, and want the doctor to first look, and investigate teh secondary shunts, fix them, and then come out and reprot to me just how bad that PFO really looks. If he says, it is huge! well, i guess I will be scheduling a 2nd cath, for closure. (?)
But, what does ‘return to work’ mean, when you are a mother of 5 young children, still home. (I can’t ‘leave’ work) My toddler will still have emergencies that need rescue. And, if doctors do not give explicit protocol for family members to have the right expectations, then everyone will think wife/mom should be back to business as usual. We have around 10-15 loads of laundry around here weekly. Is pouring a gallon of milk (8lbs) for my toddler, over the weight limit? Can i lift from above my head, and, if so, how heavy should it be? If I catch my kids throw up flu bug, do I need immediate phenergan to make sure I don’t put too much pressure on my new implant,due to massive valsalvaing? should I be in cardiac rehab? Stroke Rehab? What do I report? Should I be working with a PT to gauge my activity tolerance? the days are ticking down to Cath Day…and somehow I am suppose to submit to this implant being put in me, without knowing these answers. And, if you are being told you have had >13 strokes in the last 15 months, do you delay the procedure? And, ‘if’ I have really had >13 strokes, why am I not in stroke rehab?
Michele~
(43 y.o. Mother of 6, married 23 years)